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We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. . The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. You have it backwards. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. Its so good knowing that we have an advocate with the Father that helps us to do that very thing. The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. She is not shunned. So what is the solution? In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). It is an important part of the church. Is it based on the individual church or whole congregations? @greg Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. There are no rules about what to give at all. 1.) Just curious. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. fundamental, Baptist, church. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. PO BOX 292. 8.) History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. I think I already addressed that point. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. May God bless Bob. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. 3.) Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. Faithful Word Baptist Church is a young, family-integrated church. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. (P.S. Adulterous generally hide their actions. You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. In Amsterdam, he with Thomas Helwys and thirty six others formed the first Baptist church of English people known to have stood for baptism of believers only. Other Anabaptists groups were in gross error and corrupted. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. I do attend the Church of Christ. The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. Also, I support tithing personally. Independent Church. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. 3. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. We hope it will be a blessing to you. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. The business is listed under baptist church category. And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. . The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. No church in the NT took that label. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. . 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. Our goal here has always been to provide encouragement and resources for independent Baptists. 2 . 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. 74. : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. Tithing preceded the OT Law. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. Many churches were organized in the following years. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! There was no hierarchy in the churches he founded, which were patterned after the simple New Testament example. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? The Baptist church that I attend used the entire Bible, all 66 books. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. I believe the following is an accurate list of Fundamentals, but if anyone sees erro please inform us & esp with Scripture. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. Thousands of Southern Baptist Churches didn't baptize a single convert last year. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. All others miss-use the name. Its nothing personal, just logic. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. A couple of things. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? 4) strict obedience to the pastor It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. No words could console. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. 6.) Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! I think that you should go kill your children. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Thanks and may God bless. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. Look at Ezekiel 33. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. I think that point was already addressed. 5.) It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? While I do agree that there are some things that tradition has failed on (i.e. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. That will suffice. The message is set. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. He is not nearly as fundy as where I left from, and is learning. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. G.L. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? NOT ONE. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. Filter Churches. Hope youll check it out. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. I understand all that. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. He is much better at it than we are. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. I am an IFB. However, let no one think little of the name of Baptist for it is the name that most has identified those individuals and churches who have uncompromisingly stood on the Word of God. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. @Fran These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today.

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